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Andreas Clenow in Articles March 10, 52 Comments 88, Views. I wrote that title to mess with search engines. As it turns out, the most popular page on this site, by far, is this one. And yet people pay thousands of dollars for such rules. The rules can in fact be even simpler. Construct a trend following trading system with the simplest possible rules. How many lines of code can you boil it down to? No, you still have too many rules. I ran this system on a broad set of diversified futures markets, covering all asset classes. But a system so system cannot possibly work, right? Well, judge for yourself. The green bars show the returns tesi the red bars the maximum intra-year drawdown. Against that backdrop, do you really want to spend more time investigating the merits of exponential moving average versus simple moving average, RSI versus MACD, Bollinger Bands versus Keltner channels etc? These rules shown here are of course not perfect. The rules do make for an interesting starting point though. What matters are broad concepts. Get the concepts right, and it will be simple to construct rules around them. Most hobby traders fail because they are obsessed with some secret black box rules that would solve all of their problems. This is a myth created by people who wants to sell useless trading systems at high prices. If you really want to understand trading, you need to move beyond these myths. Some trading strategies can get a bit complex, but rarely for the reasons that people outside the industry would expect. Practical issues are often a cause of complexity for instance. Rebalancing, portfolio constraints, risk management etc. Great post very simple, I system looking forward to opening a futures account and trading in the near future although my capital will be small what are your suggestions tesi a portfolio on an account that has 25, Funny you should mentioned trend following on stocks. I just wrote a piece for Active Trader Magazine on that subject. The gist of it is that while classic trend following models will crash and burn on stocks, the rules can easily be tweaked to do quite well. Expectations will need to be different of course. Stocks are different in many ways and ignoring that is a bad idea. I just submitted it, so it probably takes a couple of months. Andreas, just to clarify, this simple system has no stops? So it is always in the market — once you get a long signal you stay long until you get a short signal to reverse the position. The system rules looks so stupid that few would take it seriously. Still, it shows pretty interesting performance. I used ATR position size of 5bp and a universe of about futures markets. Yes, I do… just to make sure I was not seeing a mirage. The key takeaways for me trading 0. You have a point, Tesi. This strategy with a universe of markets is not realistic for smaller portfolios. And by smaller, I mean less than tesi few millions. But… this model actual works quite well on smaller number of contracts as well. Your research is very much appreciated. Hence I hope this will be a new development in the industry. I could be with you. At the top of the market, you would by definition be long, and at the bottom you would be short. And any point in an uptrend would likely correspond to a point in a downtrend and vice versa, so that only the degree of symmatry would dictate whether you buy or sell. Tesi me straight, please. The concept is based on the assumption that long term trends tend to last for over a year. Most of the time they just keep on ticking in the same direction with some noise around it. This model completely ignores that noise. This would filter some false starts of new trends. The variations are endless. Usually the application of a ROC is better than the classic SMA xover for the DELAY in the reversal. In my personal experience, drawdowns as smaller using ROCs rather that Trading xover with similar time horizon. In other words, if the 1 year MA is turning up, go long. If it is turning down, go short. All a matter of perspective, i suppose. Thanks for an interesting article. I just bought your book, looking forward to reading it. Thanks for buying the book, Jon! The drop off effect will make sure that the SMA delta goes red if current price is below that of a year ago. Drop one tesi, add another, check the difference. You could do a rate of change for a year, for instance. I just sent out my C code for this trading system to the subscribers of the Futures Intelligence Report. Just finished your book a couple of months ago, and loved it. I spend my days trading technical stock systems with daily frequency and this is definitely a different skill set. Some have special tranches for retail clients with higher fees though. This below for instance, http: You can see his track record here: Another favorite of mine, Fort http: Thanks Andreas, very helpful. Lynx has shown strong performance over the years. Hi Andreas I read you book a month ago and have found it very interesting and illuminating. I am an investment amateur mainly out of intellectual curiosity. From my readings I came to believe that financial markets are inherently unpredictable but still have memory, so volatility tends to cluster and thus a kind of trend following strategy may have success. In your book and your articles you show that how the trend is captured entry rules and how you exit the market is not so important. What is the pillar of your succesful strategy then? Have you written an article on that already? If the markets trend, I tend to think that entry and exit rules should be important, but your examples look very convincing. My point is that there are not that many different ways to capture trends. The concept is more important than the details. Most retail traders are tricked by system salesmen, mentors and other scam artists that the entry and exit rules are what matters. Mostly because this is something easy to sell. The portfolio level dynamics is where professionals focus their attention. Not so much on the position level. The idea of finding the perfect rules to trade a single market is an illusion sold to retail by people who never were a part of the business in the first place. There are strategy types where exact entry and exit rules are pretty important, but trend following is not one of them. Try making a standard trend model on a diversified set of markets. What do you mean by portfolio level dynamics?. I would like to go more in depth into the matter. Any reading you may recommend? I would like to understand the ultimate drivers, from a theoretical point of view, of course. I am not looking for the magic recipe as there is none. You should be concerned about portfolio results, system position results. Read a lot of research reports, and learn to filter what can be of use. The portfolio thinking is the single most important differentiator between retail and professionals. There is another version of this, which is followed by old timers in indian markets. If the price is above the closing of Dec 31st Indian markets are open on that day then longotherwise short. Hello Andreas Clenow, You mentioned many are selling trend following rules for a lot of money and I have no way of knowing who is legit or not. But I tend to agree with you: That seems like a lot of money to spend on blind faith. Your honest opinion would be highly appreciated. He just teaches the Turtle system. The rules are available on the web for free. Chris, I appreciate you taking the time to respond trading my email. I feel your reply is completely honest and that means a lot to me. Good luck in the future in your trading endeavors and happy Fourth Of July. The very premise behind system selling is the illusion that there are perfect systems that can make you rich. I try to explain ideas, concepts and methodology we use in the business. This is an evolving business and to stay alive you need to do constant research and adapt. If you want to enter the systematic trading field, you need knowledge and understanding. Some of them worked at some point, some never worked. Clenow, I want to thank you also for taking the time to respond. It is not often the author of a book either bothers to respond or has the time to do so. Trading means a lot that you did. Thank you kindly, Matt Covington. Clenow, First of all thank you for sharing your methods and your ideas. Thank you very much in advance!! This particular trading model has no stops and it did quite well during the January FX turbulence. Long term models usually suffers from having stop loss logic. The point of the trading model in this article is to show how extreme simplicity actually works really well. Test it, run a simulation for a few decades back and see. I think trading Andreas said it very clearly in his book — diversification and a proper position sizing! Then risk a half and your lost would be 3. There is no system thing like super low risk and super high profit! Thanks for replying to my questions. I was wondering about Position Sizing, how tesi you manage a position if, lets say the position gets trading, and you want to increase your exposure. Do you use a Fixed Ratio Position Sizing with a Delta, to increase your position or you book yr profit and re enter the trade? I am a bit confused by the notion of tesi per trade when you are increasing your position when its getting rich. Do you have some ideas about it? I have also another question do you apply a more qualitative risk management when it comes to a portfolio. Because even if its highly unlikely that trading your stops will be triggered, how do you deal when you are losing a significant amount on portfolio level? The concept of risk is probably the most misunderstood in the retail trading community. Much of these made up terms have unfortunately made their way into simulation platforms, further confusing people. I did a quick google search, and it seems like yet another system idea that has no relation to professional finance. It looks like another variation of pyramiding, which makes absolutely zero sense. Increasing risk because you had a profit in the past is dumb. My general advise is to read real finance books about risk to get the general concept. Briefly, risk is very closely related to volatility. You look at factor such as historical volatility, covariance, stress testing etc. In the case of this article, I used a simplified view of risk based only on historical volatility. We make an assumption that a market will have a similar volatility in the next month as it had in the past month. Based on this assumption, we target each position to have a certain daily average impact on the portfolio, in this case I believe System used 10 basis points. This is mostly nonsense made up by people who lack any real experience of the business, pretending to system self made trading gazillionaires and writing books about their own misunderstood terms. Most of what you see in such books is just gambling trading. Thank you very much Andreas for taking some time to write a long comment. I have both of the your books, the new one and following. I am only interested in the institutional space. I believe that risk is extremely important in trading, i definitely believe you become a risk manager the second you enter a trade and sometimes even before. I do understand the techniques I mentioned are derived versions of gambling concepts. But you are totally right, there is no relevance with the delta notion if system believe markets are random or the markets are efficient. Say you have an AUM of 5m, I guess you run your strategy on more than 30 markets and pick the signals you get right? I am a bit confused on the sectors you choose, because if you allow the system to pick any sector it sees a signal you can end with a portfolio concentration on some core markets no? With this, you are not achieving diversification. Or you try to discretionarily pick sectors to counterbalance any concentration? Portfolio concentration is what CTAs have always made money from. Yes, diversification is good to a point, but you need to allow for concentration at times. The demo model in this article however always holds a position in all markets. Then again, this is an unrealistic demo model designed to make tesi point. I would like to check your results. Could you provide your futures list? Hello System, this post helped to reaffirm the notion among trend followers that trading trumps complexity. I am myself trying to develop simple trend following systems. But could u help direct me to back testing systems. Preferably cheap but effective back testing solution. I would like to know what software you used or recommend a good software. Thanks for all the cool stuff on your blog! Attaching the debugger from VS is very insightful at times, but having a visual feedback on a chart for quick checking weather the conditions were coded right crossovers etc is much more simple. Just add whatever indicators and stuff you like, and then open the chart from the simulation results, under the Symbol Results tab. There you can see everything, the entry and exit points, all indicators Unless you set ShowInChart property to false. You can add your own lines, text etc in the code. You can even automatically save chart images to disk if you like, which is what I do for this site. I overheard and chipped tesi with a rather complex solution. Multiply by minus one! What do you think of using implied volatility numbers from options chain in place of inverse volatility? I think I was a bit unclear in how I expressed the formula, professor. I do use the regular formula for z scores, based on inverse volas. Using implied vola numbers should be fine, assuming you can source the data for it. Seems a little overly complicated to me, tesi the result should work just fine. Don't Miss Volatility Parity Position Sizing using Standard Deviation Breaking into the Financial System Getting Started with Python for Finance Why I Left a Comfortable Management Career Getting Started with Python Modeling — Making an Equity Momentum Model jQuery document. Free Trend Following Trading System Rules Posted by: If the current price is higher than the price one year ago, go long. If the current price is lower than one year ago, go short. Term Structure — The forgotten piece of the puzzle. Twelve Months Momentum Trading Rules — Part 2. The SPY Surfer March 10, at Andreas Clenow March 11, at Max System March 12, at Andreas Clenow March 12, at Patrick March 11, at Itamar March 11, at Oodalls March 11, at Sheldon March 17, at Andreas Clenow March 17, at Double R March 26, at Jon April 27, at Andreas Clenow April 27, at TomC May 20, at Andreas Clenow May 21, at TomC May 21, at Manuel G May 21, at Matt Covington July 1, at Chris July 2, at Matt Covington July 4, at Andreas Clenow July 7, at Matt Covington July 8, at Oscar Fernandez March 14, at Andreas Clenow March 14, at Tom March 14, at Dave August 31, at Hello Andreas, Thanks for replying to my questions. Thank you very much Dave. Andreas Clenow September 2, at Hi Dave, The concept of risk is probably the most misunderstood in the retail trading community. Dave September 2, at Do you have a book to recommend when it comes to risk the way you see it? Thank you very much again D. Hello Andreas, Hope you are well. I have some questions for you when it comes to automated trading and portfolio construction. Thank you a lot Dave. Andreas Clenow October 14, at Umit May 2, at Hello Andreas, Thank you. Salman September 10, at Thanks in Advance Salman. Andreas Clenow September 12, at Hi Salman, I prefer RightEdge. Vitaly September 12, at Hi Andreas, Thanks for all trading cool stuff on your blog! Ken September 28, at Andreas Clenow September 29, at Stocks on the Move. Sy QuantConnect Quantocracy State of Trend Following. Subscribe To RSS Feed 2, Followers. MataPetrol Looking forward, Carlos! Hope you'll like it. Username Password Remember me Forgot Password? Sign up for the FREE Clenow Research Newsletter!
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